I may completely disagree with those like Res-Mogg and Johnson , who are arguing for a Hard Brexit even a disastrous No Deal and although Prime Minister Theressa May has been duplicitous in the manner in which she has tried to blackmail MPs into accepting her twice rejected "Deal" at least we have some idea where they and the majority of the Tory MPs stand .
I was going to say Tory Leadership but there is none .but surley it is Labour who are failing us?
When politicians use "constructive" it means we put forward our views and the others disagreed with it.
We al know thet Corbyn is a Lexiter and wants to leace the EU , just as much as Rees-Mogg and any claim that he has his own deal plans that are vastly different , from any "Deal" conjured up by Mrs May is only a smokescreen.
This is duplicated in the Welsh Assembly , where despite the majority of Welsh AM's backing a"People Vote" Third Rate" Minister Mark Drakeford follows the same line as his London Boss.
BBC Wales reports that
However they may be right in the hope that the majority of their supporters who are for a peoples vote , will blame the Tories for a disastrous Brexit and vote for them, even when they share responsibility
I was going to say Tory Leadership but there is none .but surley it is Labour who are failing us?
This week r Plaid Cymru, the SNP , Liberal Democrats and Greens in the House of Commons met Labour's Jeremy Corbyn.
Plaid said Mr Corbyn only wanted to discuss his own proposals.
Liz Saville-Roberts, Plaid Cymru Westminster leader, said:
"The point of the meeting was to discuss the People's Vote with Jeremy Corbyn."
"My disappointment was that the leader of the opposition really only wanted to discuss his own proposal, his own sort of Brexit."
She said he was "constructively ambiguous" but did listen to arguments that a further referendum was needed for ratification of any deal with staying in the EU as an option.
A Labour Party spokesperson said that at a "constructive" meeting the party leaders had "affirmed their common opposition to the government's botched deal or a no-deal outcome".
"Should there not be a majority in parliament for May's deal or a public vote, Corbyn called on the other parties to engage constructively to find a parliamentary majority for a close economic relationship with the EU that can work for the whole country," the spokesperson said.
"The party leaders discussed efforts to ensure May's deal would be put to a public vote if she is able to force it through parliament with threats and phoney bribes,"
When politicians use "constructive" it means we put forward our views and the others disagreed with it.
We al know thet Corbyn is a Lexiter and wants to leace the EU , just as much as Rees-Mogg and any claim that he has his own deal plans that are vastly different , from any "Deal" conjured up by Mrs May is only a smokescreen.
This is duplicated in the Welsh Assembly , where despite the majority of Welsh AM's backing a"People Vote" Third Rate" Minister Mark Drakeford follows the same line as his London Boss.
BBC Wales reports that
"Labour's divisions on Brexit erupted in the Senedd on Tuesday after the first minister said a new referendum would inevitably be divisive and may not be decisive.
Mark Drakeford said a new poll would not be straightforward.
The comments prompted a robust response from Alun Davies, Blaenau Gwent Labour AM and a People's Vote campaigner, who said he regretted Mr Drakeford's tone.
Mr Drakeford told him it is not a "difficulty free" option.
Earlier this year the Welsh Assembly, with Labour and Plaid support, passed a motion calling for work on a new poll to start immediately.
The Welsh Government thinks that a deal should still be sought, and a poll held if Commons deadlock cannot be resolved.
But as chaos in the House of Commons has continued, criticism has grown that the Welsh Government has not simply called for a public vote to happen,"
Reacting to the events in the House of Commons last week, Mr Drakeford said the proposition for a new poll "is yet to secure a majority in the House of Commons".Mr Drakeford told the assembly:
Of course it would be effing divisive , that's what referendums are"It would require a longer extension than June 30, with all that implies for European elections.
"And a second referendum campaign would inevitably be divisive, with no certainty that it would be decisive."
"If the House of Commons decides that a public vote is the way through the morass that has been created, then we will support it," he added.
Those comments prompted Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price to accuse Mr Drakeford of "rowing further and further away" from the policy agreed in the chamber.
"It's difficult to conceive of a weaker endorsement of the case for a second referendum," he told AMs.
Alun Davies said:
Mr Drakeford and Corbyn resemble a passenger who realises the Bus Driver has gone mad and is heading for the Cliff, does not try and rest control from her, but tells fellow passengers , that he will take over driving the bus when it hits the Cliffs bottom."I regret very much the tone he used when he described the opportunity to provide for a public vote.""It is a policy that he himself placed in front of members and asked this parliament to adopt," the AM said.
He said the government had "proactively seek to prepare for a vote to take place".
"I hope you will be very very clear in committing to the policy that the people of this country should have a final say, that the Welsh Government will campaign for a Remain option, and what we will do here is accept there is no such thing as a jobs first Brexit," he added, in a criticism of Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit policy.
However they may be right in the hope that the majority of their supporters who are for a peoples vote , will blame the Tories for a disastrous Brexit and vote for them, even when they share responsibility
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