It could well be that Labour's problem is not between Blairism and Corbynism, but decades of failure to recognise that it is time to reform out voting system.
At the moment the Party faces possibly decades of being in opposition and only be in power in Wales and London and a number of councils.
In 1997 Blair achieved a Landslide where he won 418 in a landslide this was slowly whittled down.
2001 413
2005 355
2010 258 coming second and the Tories under Cameron forming a coalition with The Liberals in a minority government.
Since then Labour have won
2015 232
2017 262
2019 202 seats and face decades of opposition.
So since the Labour landslide in 1997 Labour have lost over half their seats.
The problem is that Blairism did not actually sit well with many supporters as opposed to voters. and it reflected in the surge in membership of those who were still at heart socialist who backed Corbyn
Now they face a choice of returning to whatever the centre is these days , or electing a new Left Wing leader who will face being smeared by the BBC and other UK media or trying to find a populist leader who meets the approval of the likes of Rupert Murdoch as Blair did to the extent that he (after being Prime Minister) became Godfather to Murdoch's daughter in 2011.
Another Blair may well become Prime minister one day , but will have to rely at least one media outfit approving of him or her, to the extent that those who campaigned on the street for a"New Jerusalem", will be seriously disappointed.
For those in the Labour Party and this may possibly be the majority , who are still socialist of various shades of red, the route to power means that they may have to back someone who shade leans to blue or a very pale pink.
For those on the left in Wales and Scotland the route must surely be through Independence and abandoning , the whole idea of winning over "Middle England".
They may under proportional representation such as STV , sometime form a coalition government in England, but Wales and Scotland can't wait for this to happen.
Some may argue that it is selfish to leave the victims of permanent , to the tender mercies of a Tory government.
But the answer to that is for Wales and Scotland to create a Social Democrat and progressive form of government that our friends in England will envy and seek to follow.
At the moment the Party faces possibly decades of being in opposition and only be in power in Wales and London and a number of councils.
In 1997 Blair achieved a Landslide where he won 418 in a landslide this was slowly whittled down.
2001 413
2005 355
2010 258 coming second and the Tories under Cameron forming a coalition with The Liberals in a minority government.
Since then Labour have won
2015 232
2017 262
2019 202 seats and face decades of opposition.
So since the Labour landslide in 1997 Labour have lost over half their seats.
The problem is that Blairism did not actually sit well with many supporters as opposed to voters. and it reflected in the surge in membership of those who were still at heart socialist who backed Corbyn
Now they face a choice of returning to whatever the centre is these days , or electing a new Left Wing leader who will face being smeared by the BBC and other UK media or trying to find a populist leader who meets the approval of the likes of Rupert Murdoch as Blair did to the extent that he (after being Prime Minister) became Godfather to Murdoch's daughter in 2011.
Another Blair may well become Prime minister one day , but will have to rely at least one media outfit approving of him or her, to the extent that those who campaigned on the street for a"New Jerusalem", will be seriously disappointed.
For those in the Labour Party and this may possibly be the majority , who are still socialist of various shades of red, the route to power means that they may have to back someone who shade leans to blue or a very pale pink.
For those on the left in Wales and Scotland the route must surely be through Independence and abandoning , the whole idea of winning over "Middle England".
They may under proportional representation such as STV , sometime form a coalition government in England, but Wales and Scotland can't wait for this to happen.
Some may argue that it is selfish to leave the victims of permanent , to the tender mercies of a Tory government.
But the answer to that is for Wales and Scotland to create a Social Democrat and progressive form of government that our friends in England will envy and seek to follow.
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