Monday, 22 January 2018

Not even Hobson's choice from Tories over Brexit.

A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one thing is offered. Because a person may refuse to accept what is offered, the two options are taking it or taking nothing. In other words, one may "take it or leave it". The phrase is said to have originated with Thomas Hobson (1544–1631), a livery stable owner in Cambridge, England, who offered customers the choice of either taking the horse in his stall nearest to the door or taking none at all.

This appears 90%  of the time to be the attitude of the Tories, over Brexit except either we accept their version of Brexit. or they impose it anyway.

So there is no surprise that the BbC report that 


Carwyn Jones is "irresponsible" to suggest the Welsh Assembly could refuse to back the EU Withdrawal Bill, a former Brexit minister has said.
The first minister called the bill "a fundamental assault on devolution" because powers would initially return to Westminster from Brussels.
UK ministers insist powers on devolved matters will be passed on eventually.
Clwyd West MP David Jones said the first minister should work with the UK government in "a positive manner".

Opposition members of the House of Lords said they would examine the issue when they begin to scrutinise the bill at the end of January.
The UK government had intended to present amendments to MPs in the House of Commons last week but ran out of time.

Ministers have now promised to put the amendments forward for peers to consider.

 The Bill has cleared the Commons and will had to the Lords later this month where many ardent Remainers have vowed to bombard it with a slew of amendments to force the PM to reshape her Brexit plans.

Now I am opposed to the Lords  and see them as a thoroughly undemocratic legislature  and cannot support it when it votes as I would  like whilst condemning it the other

At the same time I recognise we need much more scrutiny of the whole Brexit deal and certainly think we need the voice of those who are worried about the whole Single Market issue to be heard.

However the Tories possible  reaction is to make it even more undemocratic  and there are calls for Theresa May to create up to 200 new peers to force Brexit laws through the Lords, Jacob Rees-Mogg says.Theresa May should create up to 200 new peers to force the Brexit Bill through the House of Lords, Jacob Rees-Mogg has said.He said the Prime Minister should use her powers of patronage if 'the House won't play by the constitutional rule book' and tries to block the landmark legislation.

Meanwhile Welsh First Minister Carwyn Jones has said unless changes were made he would not be able to recommend that AMs back the plans, warning that the assembly could bring forward its own counter-legislation to protect Welsh interests in the form of a so-called Continuity Bill by the end of January.


Mr Jones, a Brexit Minister between July 2016 and June 2017, told the BBC's Sunday Politics Wales programme

"We do need to satisfy the assembly that there will ultimately be a rebalancing of powers.
"But I think that for Carwyn Jones to start talking in terms of refusing legislative consent and so on is rather irresponsible.
"I think that he's got to recognise that the United Kingdom - and of course Wales itself - voted to leave the European Union and he's now got a duty to work with the UK government in a positive manner to ensure that we resolve this
Interesting he uses  the fact that Wales voted for Brexit to support  Brexit whilst failing to mention that Scotland did not.

Labour's Brexit spokesperson and deputy leader in the House of Lords Baroness Hayter told the programme 

"The government has given us no reason at all why they shouldn't respect the devolution settlement and allow these [powers] to go to Cardiff.
"What I would like is that our elected government here in the UK get together with the elected governments in Scotland and in Wales and they come to an agreement.

We may well see Labour Peers in the Lords  putting up a bigger fight against the Tories Brexit plans as opposed to Jeremy Corbyn's Pro-Brexit stance .

It will be a bit of a dilemma of the Left in the UK who support Remain or at least a Hard Brexit that their  views  may ne expressed in the Lords  rather than the Commons front benches led by the most Left wing leader for generations.


 Plaid Cymru's Lord Wigley said:




"It's really hard to imagine why it's taken them so long and why they haven't had the sort of negotiations that would have led to a good outcome on this."
 "We have to ensure that the powers on matters that are devolved go straight to the assembly.
"Certainly there'll need to be a mechanism whereby there's discussion and agreement between the four governments in the UK to ensure there's a level playing field in the single market that there will be in Britain then.
"But it's something that needs to be done by agreement and not by imposition from London down."

 The Tories have used the referendum to push forward their  own version of Brexit  to prepare for an attack on Human and Workers rights a roll back off the devolution settlement   and a right wing social and welfare policy.

I am not happy that the main opposition to this could come from a thoroughly undemocratic body, but will not be disappointed if it succeeds.

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