Labour for Independece how far to they want to go?

Its nearly seven years  since in one of my first Blogs I compared Devolution to the  Old Traws Cambria  Bus routes

I wrote 

The first part of the journey Cardiff-Swansea was long and frustrating clearly my attention was to go North bur the Bus seemed to be making no progress in that direction.

This can be seen as the period from the election of the Plaid MP’s to the second Devolution referendum. The journey had begun (Though the bus had broken down in 1979) and it had become clear that we could go further.

The Second part Swansea-Carmarthen. . Was a sign of real progress and you could feel the passengers spirits lift as they began to feel they were finally heading for they destination.

This can be seen the election of the first Assembly (Ironic that this would be Carmarthen after the referendum). Some felt the journey was over but others were now used to the difficulties of along journey and wished to go on.

The Third part Carmarthen-Lampeter was seen as some as unnecessary as they wished to go strait on to Aber. Buy some of the passengers wanted to stop there.

This is where we are at the moment some progress made but clearly this was not the end.

The forth part Lampeter- Aberystwyth was a real spurt for those heading to Aber there was a clear anticipation that their long journey would soon be over.

This will be the result if the 2010 referendum is successful. For many it will seem unnecessary to travel any further.

For many the Fifth part Aberystwyth-Portmadog was in reality be a new journey bur Portmadog has many attractions and give you access to a Wales they had longed to see.

This will be the creation of a Welsh Parliament with full law making and Tax raising powers the final stage for some.

The final part of the journey Portmadog-Bangor would have been taken by hardy soles some of who may have already broken their journey in Aberystwyth say. But you can imagine the joy they will feel when they see the outskirts of Bangor and realise the long journey.

This will see an independent Wales taking its place in Europe and the rest of the World the destination of a minority but perhaps some would like to do so when they realise it is achievable.

I was reminded of this when  reading  the article on Yes Cymru  on Wales Online

 One fact that’s immediately apparent is that the organisers are not dewy-eyed dreamers who have allowed their hearts to rule their heads. They are intelligent, articulate and quite prepared to debate the economic challenges an independent Wales would face.Another is that while many are, or have been, members of Plaid Cymru, many are not. One of the three co-founders, Iestyn ap Rhobert, points out that it’s a cross-party group which may actually contain more Labour supporters than Plaid supporters. Others attracted by the group’s optimistic message have never been affiliated to any party at all.
Iestyn ap Rhobert said: “What we find is that while many people are interested in local politics and national politics, they are not so keen on the way party politics works.
“Yes Cymru is a bottom-up organisation rather than a top-down one. We don’t have a lot of policies we expect members to subscribe to. Instead we want to discuss the practicalities of Wales as an independent country – what that would mean.”

This coincides with Nation Cymru reporting on the news that

 A group calling themselves Labour for an Independent Wales will be holding their first event this Friday.Mike Hedges AM, Lord Elystan Morgan, and Dr Sophie Williams will be joining the event at Caffi’r Atom, Carmarthen at 3pm.The group has been formed by members of the party who wish to debate and campaign for the idea of an independent Wales.One of the group’s founder members, Ben Gwalchmai, said that there were many Labour supporters who were coming around to the idea of Welsh independence.

“The threat of Brexit, and the intransigence of the British state in face of austerity, insecurity and a lurch to the right has left us in a situation where we must consider all our options,” 

It will be Interesting  to see what exactly the above mean by "Independence"  

One of the Organisers  Huw Williams added that everything would be open to debate at the event.

“Even the concept of independence itself, of course, is a disputed one, and we need to be open to the idea that in the Welsh context this may mean something very different in comparison to other countries.“We will have to recognise the extent to which we share in historical structures and relations with our neighbours in certain areas.“As we are ultimately interested in pushing forward the cause of socialism in Wales, this should hopefully allow us to develop our own particular view of the issues.“What we are certain about is that we can no longer live in the hope that the British state will serve that cause; given where we are in Wales, and some of the severe, ingrained difficulties that our communities face, it is high time we asserted our autonomy and took our fate into our own hands.“Given the challenges we face and the extent to which we are hamstrung by our lack of power, it is our belief that the burden of proof for remaining in the UK now lies with British Unionists.”

Even among Plaid members there will be varied types of the Traws Cambria journey.

There is nothing wrong with that I want to go all the way (except I want to be part of the EU) but the journey has barley began and we should welcome allthose who