Sunday, 19 June 2016

Why Nationalist in Wales Scotland, and Cornwall support REMAIN.

It may seem rather Odd to outsiders that many of those who campaigned for a YES vote in the Scottish Independence Referendum are now campaigning for a Remain vote in next weeks Euro Elections,

On the other it may not not be surprising  that many of those who were involved in the better Together campaign or it satellites including including Nigel Garage and George Galloway are in the BREXIT camp.

Not to mention Far Right British Nationalists.

But there is the Difference between Nationalism in Scotland, Wales and Cornwall.

True there is a implicit National Identity  in "Celtic" Nationalism but it is based p A Civic Nationalism

Civic nationalism, also known as liberal nationalism, is a kind of nationalism identified by those who believe in a non-xenophobic form of nationalism compatible with values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights.
 Civic nationalists often defend the value of national identity by saying that individuals need a national identity in order to lead meaningful, autonomous lives] and that democratic polities need national identity in order to function properly.

Compare this with those on the Brexit side who have different freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights in such they wish to suspense with the Human Rights Act, demonise Immigrants , which to preserve a state where we have a uncollected chamber and a cabinet where any of the Ministers come from a privileged back ground went to the same public school (Eton) or met in an Oxbridge college

Though of us who identify  themselves as Welsh ,Scottish or Cornish Nationalist and who subscribe to Civic Nationalist  have looked at the EU and all its faults have decided that it is a better choice than the crude "British Nationlism" that comes out f the BREXIT side and decided that those who claim to "Want our Country  back" really  want a country which will stamp on many of the "liberal" value's we hold dear.


  1. Glyn, for those who can't see through the xenophobia of Farage, the faux internationalism of Galloway and the rantings of that chump Boris, I recommend reading the following book - Acts of Union and Disunion by Linda Colley.

  2. I am a nationalist and I want England to vote to leave simply because of the constitutional crisis that will ensue and the consequent break up of the British state.

    1. The price is too high and the prize may well elude you.

  3. A risk worth taking . . . the alternative is as unpalatable now as it has been for the last 6 years.

  4. Funny our nationalism is and was seen as BAD, British Nationalism is seen a good or should we say English Natonalism. So many in England co flare the to. I was accused during our referendum of wrapping myself in the flag
    Well England is awash with Union Flags, if television is anything to go by. In case people are unaware, Enlgland I.e.Britain has control of much of the revenue they send to Brussels, we in what they see as the conquered provinces, who do not.

  5. Glyn, I don't think you're being inconsistent with regard to your position on Celtic nationalism and your support for remaining in the EU.

    I believe both Wales and Scotland, like other small nations in Europe, should be independent within the EU and not dictated to by a Westminster Government that is by default, an English parliament.

    I look forward to a day when Wales, and not just its footballers, plays a full and equal part at a European level.

  6. I'm sure Boris Johnson likes to be seen as a harmless fool, a bit of a clown, a man of the ordinary people.

    However, what Boris Johnson represents is everything that's wrong with British politics. A self serving politician he's a member of a social and political elite that runs Britain for the benefit of people like himself.

    His opposition to the EU has more to do with his political ambitions than anything else. God help the people of Wales if this chancer gets his way.