Friday 30 November 2018

All views need to be aired in TV Brexit debate.

If the May-Corbyn debate goes through  a  Plaid Cymru has warning  that it would be be "a democratic disaster" is not just hype.

The BBC impartiality has bee called into question ever since the Referendum with the Today's John Humphreys and the selection of not only the panel but the audience on question time often cited.
The prime minister has accepted the BBC's offer to take part in a debate on Brexit on Sunday 9 December.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has yet to confirm if he will take part, saying he prefers an alternative proposed by ITV.
Plaid Cymru said the BBC had a "responsibility to reflect all voices". The BBC stressed it would "announce further details soon".
    There have already been calls for other voices to be part of any Brexit TV debate.
    Mrs May has rejected the idea, saying she and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn represented almost 90% of MPs in the Commons between them.
    Hardly the approach of someone who talks about our precious Union where in Scotland where a clear majority backed remain the largest party by far is the SNP.
    There is also the fact that the Majority of Mr Corbyn MPs do not share his hard brexit views ans god knows how many Tory MPs agree with Mrs Mays stance wit Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin said a Brexiteer must be on the panel. 
    Scottish National Party leader Nicola Sturgeon had been quick to respond to suggestions Mrs May was considering challenging Mr Corbyn to a debate ahead of the Commons vote on the deal, asking "how about it?"
    And Plaid Cymru echoed the SNP's views that the leaders of the two main parties could not represent the British public as a whole: "It can hardly be much of a debate when both of them are committed to Brexit."
    Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable demanded to be involved, pointing out that neither the Tories nor Labour had called for another Brexit referendum.
    And Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, who is also pushing for a new referendum, said any debate "must be cross-party, featuring a diverse range of voices representing every nation, as well as every stance on this deal and our relationship with the EU".
    There could also be a strong argument for bot the DUP and Sinn Féin, to take part .
    Even if this would make the debate unwieldy  the idea that there is no one who would argue for the Remain side is an appalling attitude.
    Certainly Nicola Sturgeon could on her own speak for not only Scotland but the rest of us in the debate, but with the possibility  of a second referendum looming or/resulting in a General Election we need to see all the parties we could be voting for stand.

    Thursday 29 November 2018

    Has Adam Prince convinced Corbyn to back a "People's Vote"?

    Is there an  real chance of Plaid Cymru and Labour  helping to build a coalition against Brexit "chaos", as  Plaid leader Adam Price has said?
    His call came after a meeting with Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn Mr Price described as "productive".
    He said the "least worst Brexit" would be to retain membership of the European single market and customs union.
    Which is interesting  in that , Mr Corbyn has been seen to have a similar position on Brexit as Prime Minister May and not in favour of a Peoples Vote.
    However Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has suggested it is "inevitable" another EU referendum will be called if Labour are not able to force a general election.
    An election remains Labour's preferred option if - as is widely expected - MPs vote down Theresa May's Brexit deal on 11 December.
    The shadow chancellor said forcing an election would be "very difficult".
    And if it was not possible, he told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg, the party would push for another referendum.
    Mr McDonnell told the BBC's political editor:
     "We want a deal that will protect jobs and the economy.
    "If we can't achieve that - the government can't achieve that - we should have a general election, but that's very difficult to do because of the nature of the legislation that David Cameron brought forward
    .
    Mr Price and Mr Corbyn  met as the Bank of England warned a no-deal Brexit could trigger a worse recession than the financial crisis
    Mr Price said: 
    "The best option available to us in terms of our economy is remaining in the European Union", but that "we need to take this decision back to the people" in the form of a further referendum on UK membership of the EU.
    "We are seeking to cooperate with all opposition parties stop the chaos and deliver a workable solution.
    "
    In Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, Theresa May said her plan for leaving the EU was "the best deal available for jobs and our economy, that allows us to honour the referendum and realise the opportunities of Brexit".
    Mrs May is touring the UK to sell her deal to the public, ahead of a House of Commons vote on it on 11 December.
    Many MPs across the chamber are deeply sceptical about her prospects of winning that vote.
    Out of the 40 Welsh MPs,  a Wasting Mule  shows the vast majority are against the deal show only four of Mrs Mays 8 Welsh MPs have committed themselves to back her. With all the other Parties ie Plaid and Labour against 
    • Against: 33
    • Undecided: 2
    • Probably For: 1
    • For: 4
    So the choice is either a  General Election which would resolve nothing as with the Tories split and Labour unclear what their Leader Corbyn wants. No one can claim a mandate for any form of Brexit

    So  second referendum may be the only solution which Mrs May could word in her favour and have a  Three Way vote that includes her deal as option.

    Such as

    1. No Deal
    2. The Prime Ministers Deal
    3. Remain in the EU.

    Of course  this will be harder to interperate  if none of the options exceed 50% rather than as I expect a three way split, with only a small percentage .

    Even a majority Remain vote  whilst it may stop Brexit  , will not heal the division and the whole sorry mess may take decades to resolve.

    The fact that Mr Corbyn actually met Adam Price , could be an indication that he is prepared to back a second referendum . If so then the Plaid leader may have  pulled of a bit of a coup. 

    Wednesday 28 November 2018

    Off the Rails again.

    After Yesterdays Blog I was bemused to see  a a Welsh Government minister that Transport for Wales has been backed as doing a "fantastic job" 
     Bus replacement services are in place after the newly established firm said a third of its 127 trains were damaged.Julie James praised the firm for the "swiftness of their response" and blamed "years of underinvestment" on the rail network in Wales.
    But she was accused of being "detached from reality" by the Conservatives.
    Members of the public have also vented their frustration on social media.
    Transport for Wales has warned of up to three weeks of disruption on its network, beginning last Monday, with services not running or being replaced by buses.
     It said damage to wheels had been caused by the seasonal conditions and said engineers were working round the clock.

     The franchise, operated by KeolisAmey, was awarded by the Welsh Government earlier this year. The previous service, Arriva Trains Wales, was overseen by the UK government.In the Senedd UKIP group leader Gareth Bennett said: 
    "Most rail users simply don't understand why 25 per cent of the fleet had to be withdrawn all at the same time this autumn".
    "Why could the withdrawal not be staggered to, say, five per cent of the time over five weeks, rather than 25 per cent all at once in a week,"
    Ms James, government business minister, replied:

    "Actually, Transport for Wales have done an absolutely fantastic job, and 10 per cent of the fleet is now back in action again."
    "So, I think, actually, they're to be praised for the swiftness of their response."
    She said an operational recovery plan was in place.
     "Of course, we are very sorry indeed... to find ourselves in the position where Transport for Wales has inherited a fleet of trains - very substandard and substantially not what we'd expect - frankly from years and years and years of underinvestment by the private sector," Ms James added.
    "We've only had the franchise for just under a month, we cannot correct the underinvestment of 15 years in four weeks."
    It comes to something when Gareth Bennett has a better grip on reality than the Welsh Labour Government. 
    In Wrexham, the council's lead member for transport, councillor David Bithell, has written to the Welsh Government's Transport Secretary Ken Skates to complain about cancellations.
    "The situation is unacceptable and has caused unnecessary inconvenience and disruption to people in Wrexham.
    "I have asked him to investigate how such decisions are made and subsequently communicated to passengers."
    In response to the concerns, a spokesman for TfW has apologised for the inconvenience caused.
    However, they added that it may take several weeks before a normal service resumes.
     Tory AM Andrew RT Davies accused Ms James of being "detached from reality".
    "Remarkable response," he added.

    As I pointed out Yesterday

    Transport for Wales  is a not-for-profit company owned by the Welsh Government.[
    It was established to provide support and expertise to the Welsh Government in connection to transport projects in Wales. In 2017, it procured the new Operator and Development Partner for the Wales & Borders railway franchise] under powers delegated to the Welsh government under the Government of Wales Act 2006.
    The company introduced the Transport for Wales brand to replace the now defunct Arriva Trains Wales brand on the Wales & Borders franchise from 14 October 2018. 
    However !
    The franchise is operated by Transport for Wales Rail.

    So the  it seems that Julie Jame was referring to the company and nor the actual franchise  as doing a "fantastic job" 

    But quite frankly how are  passengers  expected to understand the difference and know who exactly to blame and perhaps more importantly who is exactly going to fix it.

    One of the Two should adopt a different name and their responsibilities made clear , but better still lets have a nationalised  Rail service incorporating both bodies yes even run by the Welsh Labour Government .
    It may seem odd to call for the devolution of Transport powers to Wales , but only a clear Welsh Transport  Policy designed to meet our needs  and a change of Welsh Government can achieve this.

    Tuesday 27 November 2018

    A lick of paint but no Trains, sums up Welsh Rail services.

    There's a strong sense of irony in the Wasting Mule reporting that 
    People using Transport for Wales trains say they’re getting covered in fresh paint
    Passengers using Transport for Wales services aren't having a great time of it at the moment.And now, passengers have reported being left covered in a turquoise paint after holding onto headrests on various services across a number of different dates.One passenger, Rhiannon Williams, said she got on at Taffs Well and got off at Cardiff Central on Friday but left with her hands and coat covered in paint.Her tweets read: 
    "On my way to work this morning on a packed train, I had no choice like many, to hold onto the top of the seats. It was sticky, and when I looked, the paint had come off all over my hand and onto the sleeve of my new coat. I'd like to know your comments please."She continued: "I've washed my hands several times and still have paint that won't come off."
    The paint has now come off her hands, but not her coat, which was also stained, she says
    Colin Lea, customer experience director for Transport for Wales rail services, said: 
    “We are concerned to hear of a problem raised and we would like to apologise to any customers affected.
    “This is being investigated. Anyone who has been affected should contact our customer relations team who will prioritise these cases.”They have asked any affected customers to log them online.
    This comes as Rail passengers will face r disruption with services all across Wales affected.

    A third of services are now not running, according to Transport for Wales.
    The operator said it was a combination of issues caused by recent storms and ageing trains. The number of trains out of service was "unprecedented", it added.
    Reduced services will continue to be running across the network from Monday, November 26, and priority will be given to the areas of greatest need, according to Transport for Wales.
    Customers are strongly advised to check before they travel and to be aware that replacement bus services might be in operation.
    But just which Transport of Wales is responsible 
    Transport for Wales  is a not-for-profit company owned by the Welsh Government.[
    It was established to provide support and expertise to the Welsh Government in connection to transport projects in Wales. In 2017, it procured the new Operator and Development Partner for the Wales & Borders railway franchise] under powers delegated to the Welsh government under the Government of Wales Act 2006.
    The company introduced the Transport for Wales brand to replace the now defunct Arriva Trains Wales brand on the Wales & Borders franchise from 14 October 2018. 
    However !

    The franchise is operated by Transport for Wales Rail.


    Confused ?

    Keolis Amey Operations  trading as Transport for Wales Rail Services is a United Kingdom train operating company operated by Keolis Amey Wales Cymru Limited, which commenced operating the Wales & Borders franchise on 14 October 2018.

    In October 2016 Abellio, the incumbent operator Arriva, a Keolis/Amey joint venture and MTR Corporation were shortlisted to bid for the next Wales & Borders franchise.[4][5]In October 2017, Arriva withdrew from the bidding process, followed in February 2018 by Abellio, after the collapse of its partner Carillion.[6][7][8][9] In May 2018, the franchise was awarded to Keolis Amey Wales Cymru. It commenced on 14 October 2018 and runs for 15 years. Unlike the previous franchise, which was awarded by the Department for Transport, the new franchise was awarded by Transport for Wales, on behalf of the Welsh Government.

    So we have Transport for Wales and Transport for Wales Rail Services which are not the same thing and you could be forgiven that we have some kind of Nationalised Rail Service  as called for by Jeremy Corbyn  and Labour in Scotland

    However "Welsh" Labour have not only created a confused bureaucratic means of running Wales but have failed to call for real devolution of Transport t policy.

    Do they think the idea of having separate bodies using the same name will give the impression that they run some kind of Nationalised  Rail system in Wales.

    If so they had better hope Transport for Wales Rail Services as opposed to Transport for Wales make  drastic improvements  and not think that a change of livery and painting the already decrepit stock a different colour , which seems to be coming off on passengers clothing.

    Much has been promised but if we are to have clear scrutiny then we need one of the bodies to change their name , but  in the  15 years of period before the Franchise comes up again or preferably before is it not time our Welsh Government gained control of Transport policy rather make a pathetic attempt to give the impression of it.

    Monday 26 November 2018

    Il buono, Il brutto, Il cattivo,

    Rejecting the Brexit deal will be risky and lead to "division and uncertainty", Prime Minister Theresa May will say to MPs who oppose her plan.
    Her Commons speech comes after the 27 other EU leaders approved the terms of the UK's exit at a summit on Sunday.
    Mrs May now has to persuade politicians in the UK Parliament to back the deal.
    But cabinet ministers admit she faces an uphill struggle, with Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, the DUP and many Tory MPs set to vote against it.
    The DUP has said it will review their parliamentary pact with the Conservatives, which is effectively keeping Mrs May in power, if the deal is approved by MPs.
    And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said his party would oppose it, calling it "the worst of all worlds".
    It is being to look like a Mexican Standoff between Mrs May's Deal, No Deal and either a General Election or a Second Referendum.
    A Mexican standoff is a confrontation amongst three or more parties in which no strategy exists that allows any party to achieve victory.[1][2] As a result, all participants need to maintain the strategic tension, which remains unresolved until some outside event makes it possible to resolve it.
    The term Mexican standoff was originally used in the context of using firearms and today still commonly implies a situation in which the parties face some form of threat from the other parties. The Mexican standoff is a recurring trope in cinema, in which several armed characters hold each other at gunpoint.
     A famous example of the trope is in Sergio Leone's 1966 Western The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, where the titular characters played by Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef and Eli Wallach face each other at gunpoint.





    Part of the problem of course is we are divided  into who we think are the Good, Bad Or Ugly .

    A Labour Party spokesman has told Sky News that Jeremy Corbyn would "relish a head-to-head debate with Theresa May about her botched Brexit deal and the future of our country", 
    The spokesman was responding to a report in The Daily Telegraph suggesting the prime minister would challenge the Labour leader to a TV debate on Brexit.
    The newspaper reported that Mrs May wanted to hold a televised debate with Mr Corbyn during the Sunday evening prime-time slot.
    Of course the problem here is that whilst Mrs May  supported REMAIN in the referendum but now pursues  a Hard Brexit . Jeremy Corbyn's stance was unclear and he also seems to be in favour of a Hard Brexit.
    What people opposed to Brexit may ask about us.
    Does the result of the referendum  exclude Remainers  or those who accept the vote but want free movement and a Customs Union?
    Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish first minister, had already thrown her hat in the ring. She tweeted on Saturday: 
    “I’d be up for a full leaders debate on the ‘deal’.”
    I pretty sure the Liberal Democrats . Plaid, Greens  and DUP would like to take part and Ukip who are not in the UK parliament may also think they should have a place.

    Ms May is due to face the Commons again now that her plan has won EU approval, and is expected to tell parliamentary colleagues:
     “Our duty as a parliament over these coming weeks is to examine this deal in detail, to debate it respectfully, to listen to our constituents and decide what is in our national interest.“There is a choice which MPs will have to make. We can back this deal, deliver on the vote of the referendum and move on to building a brighter future of opportunity and prosperity for all our people.“Or this house can choose to reject this deal and go back to square one
    Which loks like she favours a General Election rather than a Second Referendum. But the current polls show that this will resolve nothing  because even if Mrs May is defeated Corbyn will still push for a Brexit , though God knows which one.
    Suspending Brexit for a year and having a second referendum may not resolve the issue entirely and divisions may grow stronger, especially if Leave lose and become very angry.
    But the alternative is accepting no deal or a very bad deal, out of sheer exhaustion.

    Sunday 25 November 2018

    Tory's Knighthood should be treated as political corruption.

    If  Tory MP John Hayes  had been offered a financial incentive to support Mrs Mays Brexit proposal then , there would not only be cries of corruption and a police investigation followed by a prosecution.

    Instead  Mrs May seems to have managed to head of one Tory MP's by giving a Knighthood  to Tory MP John Hayes

    He was appointed Knight Bachelor this week ,an honour widely reported as bringing the awards system into disrepute, the supposition being that he had been offered and accepted the award in return for support for (or lack of opposition to) the Prime Minister's Brexit Draft Withdrawal Agreement.

    Wikipedia describes "Sir" John as social conservative, economic protectionist, communitarian and Eurosceptic. who  strongly supported Britain's withdrawal from the EU and has spoken regularly about his belief in conservative ideas and philosophy. Hayes is known for speaking passionately and theatrically in the House of Commons chamber[9] and has been described as a 'colourful character' who is 'popular and influential on the Tory right'.

    Abortion
    Hayes opposes abortion. He believes life begins at conception and first joined the Society For Unborn Children aged 15.
    Capital punishment
    Hayes is reported as having asked the UK Government to consider bringing back the death penalty: referencing Westminster Bridge attacker Khalid Masood, Hayes stated that "If he had survived I think most of the British public would have been OK if he had received a fair trial and been put to death - most people would deem that appropriate.". Additionally, Hayes states that, for murder, "I say capital punishment should be a sentence available to the courts but the death penalty should not be mandatory - that's always been my position."
    Constitutional monarchy
    Hayes is a strong supporter of constitutional monarchy, but has voiced his opinion that the monarchy must resist the "culture of celebrity.

    Now we are expected to call this man  "Sir" as if he was in some way better than the rest of us and deserves  our respect.

     Scottish National party leader, Nicola Sturgeon.said,
    “People will rightly look at this knighthood and wonder how it relates to the looming Brexit vote in the Commons,”
    “That ‎brings the honours system into disrepute. But, more fundamentally, it exposes how broken the whole Westminster system is.”
    As I said this stinks of political corruption as are other political "honours ".

    Why should the Prime Minister of the day have the power to purchase support in this way?

    From appointments to the House of Lords to  an MBE , political patronage is given to allies or as nothing less than Bribes and the whole system should be ended.



    Saturday 24 November 2018

    UKip are now clearly a Far-Right Racist Party.



    We all know people who voted UKip indeed they could be your next door neighbour and with them getting 12.5% in the 2015 General Election and 27.5% in the European Election where they came first there are probably many who supported them who maybe never admit it.

    Of course Europe was the major plank in UKip's appeal and the always latent or open racism was always there , but I like to think the major issue was Europe.

    but now with Europe taken as a issue from them by a right wing fraction/minority of the Tory Party Ukip have lost one of their Unique selling points and now seem to rely on the other that of far right racism.

    Now UKIP leader Gerard Batten has defended his decision to hire Tommy Robinson as an adviser and says he had saved the party "from oblivion".

    His predecessor Nigel Farage criticised UKIP's association with the ex-English Defence League leader and said there should be a vote of no confidence in Mr Batten.

    Mr Batten said many people respected Mr Robinson's "stand on things".

    And he claimed Mr Farage had shown "0% interest" in UKIP since "walking away".

    Mr Batten, who is the fourth person to lead UKIP since Mr Farage quit in the wake of the 2016 EU referendum, said he believed he would see off any challenge to his leadership.

    Mr Batten said he "looked forward to working with him" on subjects about which "he has great knowledge".

    Mr Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, will advise him on rape gangs and prison reform.

    Well his knowledge of the former is largely confined to Asian predators whilst ignoring white ones and in the latter he has plenty experience

    Robinson or Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon was jailed for assault in 2005, has convictions for drugs offences and public order offences, was jailed in 2012 for illegally entering the United States using a false passport[99] and jailed again in 2014 for a £160,000 mortgage fraud.[100]
    In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally. Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced in January 2013 to 10 months' imprisonment.

    Robinson had used a passport in the name of Andrew McMaster to board a Virgin Atlantic flight from Heathrow to New York. He had been banned from entering the US due to a drugs offence. When he arrived at New York’s JFK Airport, customs officials who took his fingerprints realised he was not Mr McMaster. He was asked to attend a second interview but left the airport, entering the US illegally. He stayed one night and returned to the UK the following day using his own legitimate passport - which bears the name Paul Harris.[

    Ironically Judge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial."

    He was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013.

    In May, the 35-year old former EDL leader was jailed for 13 months for contempt of court, which sparked a series of #freeTommy protests. Which could have been sen as laughable if they weren't   based on and attended to by racists and fascists views.

    His conviction was later quashed over procedural concerns and the case has now been referred to the attorney general.

    "Welsh" AM Michelle Brown said it may be time "to have Batten's leadership democratically checked" by the members.

    She previously said letting Mr Robinson join UKIP would give substance to claims it was moving to the far-right.


    To what extent Ukip Anti-EU stance was fuelled by racism is open for debate, though I suspect it was always there.

    Mr Farage told BBC Radio 4's Today earlier that, under his leadership, the party had talked about mass immigration and extreme forms of Islam but "as a non-racist, non-sectarian party".

    "This blows a hole in all of that."
    While he had not "given up" on UKIP, he said he would be writing to the party's ruling National Executive Committee urging a vote of no confidence in Mr Batten as leader and "that we get rid of him".
    "We can have one last go at getting rid of somebody who as leader is dragging us in a shameful direction."

    Even if you agree with Mr Farage that Ukip  under him were then a"as a non-racist, non-sectarian party". He is largely responsible for letting the Dogs on the street and h e can't distance himself now that a large number of them are Rabid.

    If you now vote UKip then you are a supporting racists and there is no excuse.

    Friday 23 November 2018

    Forget new "Welsh" Labour leader, we need a new Welsh Government.

    One of the things (to me at any rate ) at any rate on the Welsh Leadership hustings that whilst Plaid may have a smaller pool of AM's compared to Labour all three of the former Party candidates were preferable to the hapless hopefuls who appeared for Labour the other night.
    So bad were they  that the BBC  only seem to have managed to report ( In a hustings they broadcasted) that there was a clash over Brexit   with Vaughan Gething saying perceived favourite  Welsh Labour leadership candidate Mark Drakeford's tone on Brexit is awful.
    The health secretary said Mr Drakeford was "wrong" to talk about working to prepare for Brexit.
    In a heated exchange, Mr Drakeford said that was nonsense and told Mr Gething he was doing the same kind of work in his own department.
    The pair clashed in a BBC Wales Live Labour leadership hustings broadcast on Wednesday night.
    Mr Drakeford, who is the Welsh Government's finance secretary, told the programme that the next first minister "has to do the serious business of preparing for whatever happens under Brexit".
    "Now I'm clear that Wales' position would be better off inside the European Union, but I work every day to make sure that if we do leave, we leave on terms that protect Welsh jobs and the Welsh economy," he said.
    But Mr Gething responded by saying the party should not "enable" a "Tory Brexit"
    So why did he join the other candidates  in backing backed scrapping a Welsh Brexit law that was passed to protect the assembly's powers.?
    Of course all three joined with their fellow Unionist in Labour, Tories and Ukip  against Plaid Cymru in doing so, therefore handing Wales over to a Tory Brexit.
    "The tone is awful," he said, criticising Mr Drakeford. "It's wrong when you talk about getting the work done if we leave, that's the only thing we hear."
    "We actually need some leadership on our future," he added.
    "Nonsense", said Mr Drakeford.
    Interjecting, Ms Morgan said: "I wish the boys would stop this. What we've really got to focus on is what is best for the people of Wales."
    I wonder what her reaction if a Male AM had referred to Female  members as  "The Girls"?
    Mr Gething, who said he wanted to "stop Brexit", said Labour "must fight" for a People's Vote on the final deal.
    Again: So  why did he not vote for a  recent Plaid motion in calling for a Peoples vote .
    Mr Gething seems to be like the aggressive  man in a Bar fight calling for his friends to "Hold me Back" whilst praying that's that we do exactly  that.
    Mr Drakeford reiterated his call for a general election if the prime minister cannot get a Brexit deal through Parliament but, failing that, he said "we should go back to the people" through a further referendum.
    The finance secretary said leaving the EU will leave Wales "permanently poorer", adding: "You have to both find a way of negotiating a different outcome if we can, but prepare for what will happen if we do leave the European Union".
    A new poll was the favoured option of Ms Morgan.
    "I would want the people of Wales to determine whether they want Brexit or not," she said.
    "I would support a people's vote but I would make it clear that it's my position to lead the campaign for us to stay and remain in the European Union. That's the best option for Wales."
    Again she failed to back the Plaid Motion joining the Assembly Unionist Bloc in voting down a Peoples Vote.
    M Drakeford is seen as a Corbyn supporters and it seems his opponents a trying to push the Welsh leadership contest as a referendum on the UK leader.
    But aside from the People's vote it seems clear to me that none of the candidates have any real plans for taking Devolution forward.
    But let's face what Wales needs is not a new Labour Leader and First Minister , but a new Government to emulate that of the SNP in Scotland and there's only one Party capable of this and it's not a Unionist one.