Most Pundits seem to think Ukip leader Nigel Farage got thee better of Carwyn Jones in the Institute of Welsh Affairs (IWA ) two man debate on Monday night.
Of course there a danger in those who did not see being influenced by the pres reports .
Even those who attended the debate may well have changed their view on who had won
Plaid Leader Leanne Wood certainly seemed to have not only lost but damaged the whole Pro Union campaign.
During their exchange in First Minister's Questions on Tuesday
Ms Wood said:
"First minister, last night you participated in the first major public debate on the future for Wales within the European Union.
"You went head-to-head with the voice of the far right.
"Do you think your performance helped or hindered the Welsh campaign on the EU?"
, Ms Wood told Mr Jones that "a new Europe is possible, but you failed to put that positive vision in that debate last night".
Mr Jones said Ms Wood
"fails to outline how she would have done anything differently, what message she would put forward".if Carwyn wanted to know what Leanne would have done differently he should not have agreed like Nick Clegg before him to have a one to one debate in the arrogant belief he could best Farage and boost his own parties chances in May
Both failed spectacularly and the reverse happened.
UKIP has accused Plaid "tacky and baseless" jibes after calling Nigel Farage the "voice of the far right".
A UKIP spokesman said she had acted "crudely and immaturely
In their response Ukip spokesman seemed to believe that rather than lok at Plaid support in Wales it should be taken in a UK context.
"She so crudely and immaturely labels the one politician fighting for British sovereignty, against unelected foreign control, in order to put the interests of the men and women of the UK first, as 'far right'.Looking at Ukip "friends " in the European Parliament.The Alliance for Direct Democracy in Europe, Far right seems a fair assessment.
"Perhaps she should reflect on her own 0.6% share of the vote in the general election, compared to UKIP's support a massive 21 times higher, making UKIP the third most popular party in the UK, before she uses tacky and baseless labels to accuse a party backed by 4m voters as representing extreme or niche politics."
It is perhaps indicative that they don't mention that they out polled Plaid in Last Years General Election and although they didnt't win a seat (to Plaid's 3) they came second in many Welsh Constituencies.
Instead they make a Comparison which even if Plaid had matched the SNP in having 50% of the vote, Ukip would still have out out polled them using UK wide results.
Perhaps the oddest criticism of Leanne came from Liberal Democrat AM Eluned Parrott who criticised Ms Wood's tactics, saying on Twitter:
"If Plaid want Wales to remain in Europe, it's not wise for their leader to stand here and drive wedges between people on the same side."
Maybe its the "Clegg disaster " Ms Parrott was thinking of and seeing any criticism of Carwyn Jones rebound.
But being "on the same side" does not mean that Plaid or any Party should accept such a disaster that Carwyn Jones and the IWA took us into on Monday night in the belief it would be god for the Labour Pert.
It was not and damaged the Pro-European campaign.