On 23 June 2013 voters in the UK opened a Pandora's Box by voting for Brexit and it seems the majority would now like to close it.
Although I tend to support the idea of a People Vote regarding a final say on Brexit it is fraught with danger almost in the same way impeaching a corrupt (but right wing) American President.
Wales Online ask the question and have Professor Richard Wyn Jones, of Cardiff University’s Wales Governance Centre, arguing that the Prime Minister was left so weakened by last year’s election in which she lost her majority that some form of public “confirmation” will be needed – even if it is just to provide MPs with political cover.
WOL lists the views of the Leadership contenders in Labour, Plaid Cymru and the Conservatives stance on a second referendum, With only the two Tories in contention arguing against,
The leading contender for Labour Mark has suggests that a general election might be an alternative to a referendum. but would that give us a clear indication of the mod of UK voters when it comes to Brexit.
Indeed if there was a General Election before Brexit it would be hard for Remain supporters to judge where Labour stood arguably it is Labour who could be the problem here , A turning-point in the push for a public vote could come if Labour unequivocally backed another referendum. Jeremy Corbyn has refused to, and Pontypridd MP Owen Smith was sacked as Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary after calling for a People’s Vote.
A General Election would see a divided Labour and Tory party arguing among themselves and if Jeremy Corbyn was declared Prime Minister it would be hard (even if it was in the manifesto) to see him completely dropping Brexit.
What ever happens those of us backing a second referendum must take in account that the far right which is clearly growing in the UK (including Wales) will create a myth of "Britain being stabbed in the Back".
It could even be what Ukip and the US backed fascists that are polluting politics here could be hoping for.
What could emerge is Ukip rising in the Pols once again and this time their rhetoric will be undoubtedly even more racist and right wing than before.
It would be the same in removing Trump from power in the US.
However these worries are not enough for me to not to support a people vote, the far right are already planing a Post Brexit attack on what they regard as the "Liberal Agenda".
On 23 June 2013 we opened a Pandora's Box , we may have the opportunity to close it, but we may knot be able to contain the Racists and Right Wing elements that escaped,
Although I tend to support the idea of a People Vote regarding a final say on Brexit it is fraught with danger almost in the same way impeaching a corrupt (but right wing) American President.
Wales Online ask the question and have Professor Richard Wyn Jones, of Cardiff University’s Wales Governance Centre, arguing that the Prime Minister was left so weakened by last year’s election in which she lost her majority that some form of public “confirmation” will be needed – even if it is just to provide MPs with political cover.
He said:
“She is clearly desperately weak, she’s barely in charge of the Government. We, on an almost weekly basis, see members of her government behaving in ways which would in normal times see them instantly thrown out on their ear.”
Prof Jones argues that if the UK is heading towards a “disastrous” Brexit there will be an attempt to find an “alternative route”, and this could involve giving the public their say.
He said:
“It’s hard to see any alternative route that doesn’t involve a vote – either a general election or some kind of referendum. Whether it’s a second referendum or another general election, I do think it’s genuinely hard to see how we get to Brexit without one of those things happening...“It’s hard to see how you can get to Brexit without some form of confirmation – not least because I think if the consequences are as dire as most of us who’ve thought about it believe they are, you would have thought that the politicians involved would want some cover.”
Wales on line point to Best For Britain and Hope Not Hate commissioned consumer analytics company Focaldata to study YouGov polling. It found 112 of the 632 seats in England, Scotland and Wales have changed from Leave to Remain majorities – 97 seats in England, 14 in Wales and one in Scotland.
Eloise Todd of Best for Britain said:
“The sands of public opinion are shifting and politicians risk falling behind.”
WOL lists the views of the Leadership contenders in Labour, Plaid Cymru and the Conservatives stance on a second referendum, With only the two Tories in contention arguing against,
The leading contender for Labour Mark has suggests that a general election might be an alternative to a referendum. but would that give us a clear indication of the mod of UK voters when it comes to Brexit.
Indeed if there was a General Election before Brexit it would be hard for Remain supporters to judge where Labour stood arguably it is Labour who could be the problem here , A turning-point in the push for a public vote could come if Labour unequivocally backed another referendum. Jeremy Corbyn has refused to, and Pontypridd MP Owen Smith was sacked as Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary after calling for a People’s Vote.
A General Election would see a divided Labour and Tory party arguing among themselves and if Jeremy Corbyn was declared Prime Minister it would be hard (even if it was in the manifesto) to see him completely dropping Brexit.
What ever happens those of us backing a second referendum must take in account that the far right which is clearly growing in the UK (including Wales) will create a myth of "Britain being stabbed in the Back".
It could even be what Ukip and the US backed fascists that are polluting politics here could be hoping for.
What could emerge is Ukip rising in the Pols once again and this time their rhetoric will be undoubtedly even more racist and right wing than before.
It would be the same in removing Trump from power in the US.
However these worries are not enough for me to not to support a people vote, the far right are already planing a Post Brexit attack on what they regard as the "Liberal Agenda".
On 23 June 2013 we opened a Pandora's Box , we may have the opportunity to close it, but we may knot be able to contain the Racists and Right Wing elements that escaped,
1 comment:
I count myself as an allies of Jac, and I fail to see any evidence of “racist, homophobic and sexist language” in what he writes on his blog. If you do, please point it out. The only recent examples I’ve seen of such language of late has been from Carolyn Harris MP (Labour), Gareth Bennet AM (Ukip) and Helen Mary Jones AM (Plaid Cymru). To make a sweeping statement to try to connect Jac’s views with Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson is just stupidity on your part. As for your comparison to Tommy Robinson (EDL) I ask you to withdraw that comment. Jac has on a number of occasions exposed such creatures who have chosen to hide or have been moved to Wales by the criminal justice system. You should apoligise.
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