tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post414403821767755643..comments2023-08-19T16:44:23.150+01:00Comments on National Left: It is time the Devolution Agenda to be made in Wales not Westminster.glynbeddauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09933352430631144936noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-15934312237346270322017-01-18T13:33:02.276+00:002017-01-18T13:33:02.276+00:00We've already seen what happened when 'lit...We've already seen what happened when 'little green men" appeared in Crimea. I'm sure there are many who would be happy to see the same in Scotland.<br /><br />Be wary Scotland! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-43389607481044249782017-01-18T12:02:46.581+00:002017-01-18T12:02:46.581+00:00Parliament will only be able to vote on the Brexit...Parliament will only be able to vote on the Brexit deal in a very limited way, i.e. Do they accept this negotiated deal or will The UK leave without any deal.<br />There is no option being offered to send them back to renegotiate, and definitely no option to say that parliament prefers to stay in. This has been explicitly stated by both David Davis and May.<br />The choice will be which version of catastrophe do you prefer.<br />I only hope we can convince folk here in Scotland to go for independence. There's work to do on that yet, as there are still many who would not do so is the Westminster government sold their children into slavery.<br />We have take this... It will be the last chance before being suppressed and held by force from London. They have already put armed (English run) MOD police on civilian streets in towns near their military establishments, without even asking Police Scotland or the Scottish government. Policing is supposed to be a wholly devolved matter.<br />What next? I wouldn't put anything past this shower of fascists.East Neukerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16227592664964765886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-76071699410604212642017-01-18T10:44:27.817+00:002017-01-18T10:44:27.817+00:00Personally i thought Plaid were wrong to vote agai...Personally i thought Plaid were wrong to vote against the bill, as while it wouldn't be the bill many of us on the pro devolution side would put forward it still included enough for me to want to see it passed in the Senedd. We can now ban fracking in Wales, give votes to 16 year olds, adopt PR for local elections, ban hitting children and most significantly of all vary income tax. And despite the bill's limitations - highlighted by dai lloyd - to see Plaid AMs trying to vote down something that would give Wales powers over income taxes for the first time in our nation's long history was frankly hard to comprehend. <br /><br />Also it has to be conceded that people like Eluned Morgan were right when they pointed out if this bill was rejected it might be a long time before Wales was offered anything similar again - the tories certainly wouldnt return to it again in a hurry and labour looks like being out of power at westminister for many years. <br /><br />Certainly when compared to Scotland Wales is a 'poor relation' in terms of devolved powers but this is probably due to the fact that popular support for devolution and self government is alas simply not as strong in wales as it is in Scotland. I'll skip over the nightmare of '79 but we only just squeaked over the finish line in '97 and while our victory in 2011 was emphatic turnout wasn't great. No UK government will feel under any pressure to give substantially more devolution to Wales until our countrymen and women's hitherto somewhat half hearted support for devolution changes. <br /><br />You are right Glyn to point out that it was the Scottish government who called the shots over the staging of the 2014 indie referendum but in the absence of any sudden and massive surge in support for plaid cymru (and there are simply no signs of any such thing happening at present) the welsh devolution agenda will continue to be made in westminister. That's why we should take whatever is on offer to us powers wise until such time as the people of wales start to exhibit a greater desire to govern their own country. Leigh Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598475954140926742noreply@blogger.com