tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post1381136366128010761..comments2023-08-19T16:44:23.150+01:00Comments on National Left: Report shows that poor Wales cannot afford NOT to be independent.glynbeddauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09933352430631144936noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-16796837713943963622016-04-06T13:11:38.350+01:002016-04-06T13:11:38.350+01:00Believe what you want about me, but Plaid Cymru ha...Believe what you want about me, but Plaid Cymru has spent decades undermining the case for Welsh independence all on its own chasing Labour votes in the Valleys and failing miserably, a single report couldn’t do that kind of damage even if that was its sole purpose.<br /><br />I’m neither a Plaid member or voter anymore, Dafydd Elis Thomas, Dafydd Wigley, Ieuan Wyn Jones and Leanne Wood are jokeshop leaders and don’t start me on Adam Price.<br />Bored of Labournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-62282408088070941332016-04-05T19:14:31.659+01:002016-04-05T19:14:31.659+01:00I don't know what reality you inhabit but your...I don't know what reality you inhabit but your assertion that Ed and his colleagues did Welsh independence a favour is absolutely absurd.<br /><br />What is very telling is that you call Wales "one of the poorest regions of the UK." Wales is a country, not a region.<br /><br />It seems to me that the infiltration of Plaid is almost complete, and I write as someone who has been a member of the party for decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-86619208141922680402016-04-05T15:10:29.562+01:002016-04-05T15:10:29.562+01:00No surprise at the reaction of the members of Labo...No surprise at the reaction of the members of Labour's Welsh branch. Whether in Scotland or Wales these unionist politicians can't resist an opportunity to crow about how poor, how incapable or how inferior their own country is.<br /><br />Regardless of what the figures currently show, an independent Wales would have the ability to determine it's own priorities and expenditure. I'm sure Wales could be as successful as any other country of a comparable size. <br /><br />And hopefully it would be governed by people who don't avoid paying taxes by taking advantage some offshore tax haven.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-77097576865566527552016-04-05T12:42:57.298+01:002016-04-05T12:42:57.298+01:00Calm down anon, Ed and his colleagues at the Wales...Calm down anon, Ed and his colleagues at the Wales Governance Centre did Welsh independence a favour yesterday, Wales is one the poorest regions of the UK by the design of the UK and Welsh Governments whichever parties govern. And it wasn’t reported anywhere but Guto Ifans the report’s other author said at the launch that the figures shouldn’t be taken as evidence that this would be the situation if Wales were independent. <br /><br />As someone critical of the current Plaid Cymru leadership I was pretty pleased to see them hammer Labour for gloating over their appalling economic record that’s got Wales in this mess on social media last night – I hope it continues through the campaign and beyond.<br /><br />As a friend put it to me Westminster gives us enough money to not drown but not float either and going by my own work and friendship circles the report has at least made a few question the wisdom of carrying on doing the same thing time and again, it’s a start.<br /><br />And please don’t forget that not everyone Welsh voter is taken in by the snide, smugness of the Owen Smith, Leighton Andrews and Martin Shipton’s of this world, for all the spin yesterdays report helped to clarify a lot of issues, it made tough reading but if we don’t know the facts how can we fix the problem, as Glyn said by making independence the most attractive solution.<br />Bored of Labournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-50454219407143959882016-04-05T11:33:16.663+01:002016-04-05T11:33:16.663+01:00Ever since the SNP came to power in Scotland,we...Ever since the SNP came to power in Scotland,we've had to deal with this sort of Unionist bullshit for years. In fact,it has become so commonplace,when the usual Britnat foaming-at-the-mouth brigade resurrect it every so often,people just shrug the shoulders and carry on. Better get used to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2133809191630290599.post-80270653030081523792016-04-05T10:01:25.078+01:002016-04-05T10:01:25.078+01:00Ed Poole, the author of the report, is a member of...Ed Poole, the author of the report, is a member of Plaid Cymru. In fact he is the ex-Chair of Plaid Pride and also the Riverside branch of the party.<br /><br />By not offering any solutions or an alternative narrative to this deficit, Ed has undermined the foundations of the party he "supports". Nice one, Ed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com